Underhanded and dirty tricks

Okay folks, I’m sorry not to be the bearer of good news at this time of year when we should simply be enjoying the run up to Christmas, but here goes. A while ago, our friend and ally Richard Morris of Australia submitted, for the THIRD time, a petition to legalize incest in Scotland. His previous two bids were rejected, the second of which without even being looked at properly, I saw a video of it in which it was given less than a minute of attention.

As if such ignorance wasn’t enough, Scotland is now considering changing the rules for petitions which would make it impossible for Richard to submit a fourth petition, and are currently moving to have the current petition closed. Now surely, they cannot be so afraid of what we have to say, that they will attempt to censor what is being said? Surely not?… but YES, that is EXACTLY what is happening. These individuals are so afraid of the weakness of their argument, and the strength of ours, that they would seek to deny us an audience because it offends their sensibilities.

Let me be clear, denying a point of view it’s right to speak simply because you do not like what it has to say is a form of FASCISM. Yes, that’s right, FASCISM. A real democracy would allow ALL views to at the very least be heard, even if they are later rejected. You can guarantee that they wouldn’t be looking at changing the rules if the petition was about hefty parking violation fines or the frequency of refuse collections during the summer months when the flies swarm around bins. The attempt at censorship is purely reactionary, because they are afraid of what we have to say, because it hits them at the core rather than appealing to their cerebral functions alone. The issue is devisive and emotive.  It hits them hard that we are human beings deserving of equality, because we commit the crime of being different. The same in many ways, but still different.

Granted, they may not yet be ready to accept our people fully, but that does not mean that we should be denied an audience. On the contrary, we should be debated and heard. I am confident that there is nothing any person could bring to the table which could invalidate our appeal for full equality. If there is such an argument, I am yet to hear it through these many years of my online travels, and my nearly two years of blogging on the issue. I know the answer, as do you: no such argument actually exists, hence this attempt at censorship. It stinks to high heaven of cowardice and underhandedness if you ask me. Anyone with backbone would tackle the issue at hand dispassionately, they would analyze all sides of an argument, weight up the pros and cons seriously, and then deliver their verdict… but this is not happening. It is not happening because they KNOW what that verdict would have to be, that incest would have to be legalized.

If, like me, you’re appalled at this latest outrageous display of contempt, then you can help Richard and all of us, SIGN THIS PETITION NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN, and show them all, he is not alone. God willing, it will have an impact.

I would like to say directly now to any Scots MPS reading this article: Do not shy away from us, we are not your enemy, we are a part of your society as we are a part of every society. All we ask is to live our lives in peace. We are not threat to you, we are no threat to the family unit, we are simply a small minority seeking equal rights. We fall in love and want to settle down just like the rest of you. You may not understand us, but that can change in time and with dialogue. We’re not asking for special treatment and we are not appealing to political correctness to shield us from criticism (which would be counter productive anyway since no current criticism has gone unanswered), we simply ask for equal and fair treatment. Many people were hesitant at hearing the gay community at first… do you REALLY want to repeat the mistakes of the previous generation? The ball is well and truly in your court, kick it in whatever direction you will, but before you take that shot, consider what I have said today.


Is it my orientation or not?

After participation in some threads at Kindred Spirits on this issue, I thought it important to clarify some important points. Not everyone who has a consang relationship is exlusively consanguinamorous, and not everyone who has regular relationships is exclusively regular. The world is not a binary place, rather orientation exists on a scale. Much like how there are bisexuals who are not exclusively straight or gay, there are some people in the world who are halfway between regular and consang.

As I wrote in the forum topic, in order for a person to be considered fully consang, the following criteria should be met:

  1. The person has an absent or very weak Westermarck Effect
  2. Related people appear to be more attractive than unrelated people
  3. Relationships with unrelated people feel empty and hollow, like something is missing

There are many people in the world who have a weak or absent Westermarck, but are equally attracted to non-relatives and are able to feel satisfied in a relationship with them. These people are PARTIALLY consang, not exclusively.

So, if you’re wondering whereabout on the scale you are, here is my scale:

Fully Consang – You’ve always known you lack Westermarck Effect, because you’ve never shared other peoples disgust whenever incest was mentioned. You may not have understood the significance of this at first, but you did the moment you fell in love with a relative because it all fell into place for you. You’ve tried regular relationships and always felt something wasn’t quite right, you sometimes told yourself ‘there must be more to love than this’ because it left you feeling empty inside, and with no obvious reason. The moment your relative became more than just family, you understood instinctively that this was RIGHT, even though society told you otherwise, the empty feeling was gone and for the first time you felt truly whole. Now you’ve experienced consanguinamory, you know you can never go back to regular relationships because they just feel so painfully awkward, not to mention hollow! You’re exclusively attracted to family members.

Consang-Flexible – You never had much of a Westermark Effect if any at all, and other peoples disgust may have seemed to you a bit over the top. When you fell in love with a relative you too found everything falling into place. You’ve tried regular relationships, and although they don’t feel as natural to you as consang ones, you cannot rule out finding the right regular because you do feel some attraction towards some of them. Thing is, they’d have to be something pretty damn special, at the very least somebody you could connect to on a family-like level. Your primary preference though would be to date within your family.

Bisang – You too have a very weak Westermarck Effect, so you too find the disgust reaction of others over the top. You’ve fallen in love with both relatives and non-relatives, and you have no relationship preference either way. You easily see the unique characteristics of both kinds of relationship and you’re able to switch between dating a relative and dating an unrelated person pretty easily.

Regular-Flexible – Your Westermarck Effect is stronger, although not strong enough to rule out relatives completely. You usually date outside your family and you’re primarily attracted to other regulars. You probably find that you’re not attracted to most of your family, although you would under the right circumstances be willing to make exceptions to this rule, perhaps just for one particular relative whose values and personality best compliment your own. Although you’re not completely disgusted by incest, you might find the concept a little awkward, hence you’d really prefer to date somebody who isn’t related.

Regular – You have a strong Westermarck Effect, and the very thought of dating a relative is a real turn off, the concept itself feels very awkward to you, disgusting even. No way in hell could you imagine dating a family member, and even thinking about others doing it makes you feel so uncomfortable that you’d prefer not to even hear about it. You’re exclusively attracted towards people who are unrelated.

Now you’ve seen my scale, where do you lie on it? I once thought I was consang-flexible, but it turns out that I’m 100% consang. To be honest, the thought of another regular relationship is highly unappealing to me, which is why I don’t engage in them any more. Whichever point you lie on the scale, it’s okay… every bit as okay as being anywhere on the straight-bisexual-gay scale.

More double-love

A while ago I was contacted by a young man who wanted to share his story. Well, today his story of falling in love with his father landed in my inbox. As with all of my interviews, the questions are in bold and the answers are in italics:

Describe what kind of consanguinamorous relationship you’re in, or have been in?

We are in a homosexual incest relationship. We are very monogamous and want it too stay that way. I’m am a son in relationship with my biological dad who raised me. 

Describe yourself, approximate age, what kind of person are you? What are your interests and hobbies?

I’m a 19 year old man. I’m currently attending school and I’m interested in a variety of world issues and topics. I’m similar too many other 19 year olds. My dad is 53 year old and is very professional and well educated. And sexy too 😊

How did it start, and what were your thoughts and feelings at the time?

I have been attracted too my dad since puberty and we have always been comfy around each other. My dad would always walk around in his briefs and tighty whities which I really liked! Over time I took some risks and went for it bluntly and it turns out he was wanting the same-thing when I turned 18.  

How long have you been together, and what are your plans for the future?

We’ve been together as a couple for 10 months now. We want too live and stay together where we are now for good. 

Is your relationship legal where you are?


If you could legally marry, would you?

Of course. We would love to get married with vows. 

What would you like to say to others who disapprove of your relationship, or who want people like yourself to be thrown in jail? 

We’re both consenting adults. I understand people who don’t accept but it’s none of their business. Everyone has their opinion but it can’t infringe on our lives and who we love. 

Describe the advantages and disadvantages of consanguinamorous relationships in your experience.

Well being closeted and not being able to be open sucks but we manage because or love is strong. The big advantage is how we are perfect for each other. We have so much in common and that is something I could only get from my dad. We have a double love. 

How do you feel about your relationship now

I feel great. We’re both happy and in love. Nothing much more too say!

Before you had this relationship, what were your thoughts and feelings about others who engaged in this type of relationship?

Never really thought about it. I guess I was indifferent about the whole topic. I always believed love is love.  

What are your thoughts and feelings about consanguinamory in general now? 

As long as it’s a choice and always consenting. Then like I said. Love is love. 

What is it like, having to hide the truth from the world, and having to lie to people?

It can be hard. When your in love you want everyone to know. But as long as we have each other then we will be okay with our secret. I hope one day I can say. This is my dad and my husband/partner

What would you like say to anyone who discovers a friend or relative in a consanguinamorous relationship?

As long as it’s loving and happy, then be happy for them! Love is a great thing! Don’t let prejudice over ride you. 

Is there anything else you want to add? 

My dad/husband was here with me while I wrote this. He agrees with everything I said! 

There you go, the words of a clearly happy and confident young man looking forward to many years with his dad. I’d like to thank him for sharing his story and wish them the very best for the future.

As a general reminder, anyone else wanting to share should visit this page and then e-mail me at janedoeofks@protonmail.com

Lasting Love

You know, I absolutely love reading real life love stories that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Well today I have one such story for you sent in to me by one of my readers, in response to a set of questions I composed for the purposes of allowing people to share their experiences anonymously. For the sake of clarity, the questions are in bold and the answers are in italics.

Describe what kind of consanguinamorous relationship you’re in, or have been in?
I am involved in a monogamous relationship with my biological son
Describe yourself, approximate age, what kind of person are you? What are your interests and hobbies?
I would say I’m just an average ordinary person. I’m soon to be 68 and look like a typical American woman. I try to keep myself in somewhat good shape. I think I’m a good person and always thought I was a good mother and I still do. I’m mostly a home body. We never really went out a lot and we just enjoy our home. I like too cook, read, watch TV.
How did it start, and what were your thoughts and feelings at the time?
My husband left soon after he was born and we were alone much of the time. He started having feelings for me in his mid teens but never acted on them. Once he graduated high school, I made a comment saying I need to see him as a man now. He took it in a different way and asked me out on a date. He was the perfect gentleman but at the end he kissed me. Not like a mother but like a woman.
We kissed for a second or two but then I pulled back and had to leave.
After I thought about it, I felt terrible I had rejected him so abruptly. I went back and spoke with him and told him it just took me by surprise and I had no idea he had those feelings for me. So I suggested we go on another date and I will be prepared. He said to me know one knows we kissed and no one has to know anything. I thought about his word  a lot.
We went out and ended up making out at the end of the night. That second date I started with the romantic feelings for him. He had felt my breasts and I really enjoyed it. The third date we had another talk and I just wanted to make sure this is what he really wanted and where it was leading and to make sure no one would ever know. After that date I said I’m going into my room and he could come if he wanted and we started our sexual relationship right then
How long have you been together, and what are your plans for the future?
We have been together 27 and a half years. I never thought it could last this long but it did and its for life now
Is your relationship legal where you are?
Yes it is He researched the incest laws in the USA and we moved to Rhode Island where any two consenting adults can have sex regardless of relationship
If you could legally marry, would you?
Yes we have said vows to each other just can’t be legal
What would you like to say to others who disapprove of your relationship, or who want people like yourself to be thrown in jail?
I am not hurting anyone. My son was an adult and we both can choose who and how we want to love. If you don’t agree that’s fine just leave us be
Describe the advantages and disadvantages of consanguinamorous relationships in your experience.
I’m with the man I have loved his whole life. We have love on so many levels. Its the perfect love I call it. I would love to introduce him as my son first then as I my husband but we are not at that point in society yet.
How do you feel about your relationship now?
I am proud of who I am and what I have become. I don’t consider our incest to be a dirty word and I have no issue saying I am an incest mother. I’m with the man I belong with. He just happens to be my son
Before you had this relationship, what were your thoughts and feelings about others who engaged in this type of relationship?
Honestly I was so naive I never really thought it existed. This was before the internet/ Incest always had me picturing a dirty old uncle or something like that
What are your thoughts and feelings about consanguinamory in general now?
Adult and Choice. As long as those 2 are followed I am all for it
What is it like, having to hide the truth from the world, and having to lie to people?
Been doing it so long its second nature now. My son has a good job and we can’t afford it to be known but I don’t deny or hide it when asked.
What would you like say to anyone who discovers a friend or relative in a consanguinamorous relationship?
As long as adult and consenting, its none of your business. Just leave them be
Is there anything else you want to add?
I always tell people to be prepared for what they are getting into. This is not a porno movie. It’s the real world. It is a wonderful loving situation. You feel more like a mother then ever before but it can be very challenging. But always communicate and you will be fine
Well folks, there you have it, the words of a strong and proud consang mother, after an incredible 27 years of love. Congratulations to both of them on the long term success of their relationship 🙂
If YOU would like to anonymously share your story with the world, check out this page for hints and tips, and read the other stories sent in to my website. Any submissions should be e-mailed to me at janedoeofks@protonmail.com

When is pursuing a consang relationship a bad idea?

I realize that this may sound like an odd subject for an article on a pro-consanguinamory website, but there are some things which need to be said which I feel are important. I’m all for others finding joy in well adjusted and healthy consang relationships, but there are some circumstances in which a relationship should not be pursued, and that’s what this article is all about. Actually, most of the advice below would also apply to regular relationships too.

If either or both of you are underage

Then do not pursue a relationship until this is no longer the case. The age of consent protects vulnerable young people against the possibility of sexual exploitation, grooming, untimely pregnancies, and simply making bad choices which you may later regret.

While sibling exploration is relatively common, and usually non-abusive, it could lead to all the same problems as exploration with any other person your age, including pregnancy. If you’re a teen under legal age reading this and you think you might fancy a similarly aged sibling, take my advice: wait until you’re older. If you still feel the same way when you’re both of age, then by all means go for it, but now is not the right time for you. It may seem a long way off, but trust me, it’s not. If your love is genuine, it will still be there in a year or two. You have your whole life ahead of you, and there is no need to rush into these kinds of decisions.

Furthermore, if this is a possible parent/offspring situation, the importance of waiting is even more pronounced. Parents have legal powers over their children, and are responsible for looking after them. This in the overwhelming majority of circumstances would mean that the power imbalance would simply be too great. It could potentially lead to the underage party feeling unable to say no, and as we know, if you can’t say no then you can’t really say yes either. Such circumstances, even when not intended, could lead to harm. Therefore it would be wise to apply the blanket rule: The parent should never pursue a relationship with their underage son or daughter, nor accept any advances from them. As with siblings, if you still feel the same way once everyone is of age, then go ahead.

If either of you is currently in a relationship where monogamy is expected.

I’ve said it before on this site, but for the purposes of this article I will have to reiterate what I’ve already said. Don’t cheat on your partner behind his or her back, and don’t expect the relative that you’re wanting to be involved with to do it either. Cheats often get found out eventually, and under normal circumstances this would simply lead to the end of the relationship and possibly a messy divorce. If the person you cheated with is a close relative then the outcome could be so much worse than that. Potentially, your jilted partner could tell the police and then all hell breaks loose, and you could both end up in jail if they discover any evidence that the allegations are actually true. Also, it’s not fair to your current partner to be cheating anyway. If you no longer wish to be in that relationship, you should say so, do the right thing and end it, and do not string him or her along because that isn’t fair on either of you.

If you’re in a relationship already but it’s open or polyamorous, then there MIGHT be a way for you to move forward, depending on your current partners attitude towards consanguinamory. You obviously don’t want to go up and say something like ‘hey, I fancy my sister, is it okay with you if I ask her out?’ if you’re unsure of what kind of reception you’re going to get. Instead, I will advise you to tread carefully, before you actually pop the question, it might be advisable to refer to a story you read on the internet or saw on the news about some siblings who were being done for incest. Say you’re not sure why they bother to prosecute people for that because you think it’s wasting police time, or something along those lines. Then judge the reaction. If it’s very negative, then a relationship with your relative is off the cards, if it’s positive, then you can move forward but obviously tread gently.

If one of you has recently had a bad break-up or was the victim of an abusive relationship

I say this because when we’ve just come out of one relationship which was toxic, we’re emotionally vulnerable. In circumstances where either you or your family member was the victim of narcissistic abuse or domestic violence, it’s going to take some time to heal and get back to where we should be. Likewise it’s going to take time to trust again if the reason for the break-up was cheating.

In all circumstances where one of you is particularly vulnerable because of how you were treated by a previous partner, you need some time alone to gather your thoughts and heal your psyche. If you don’t have and take this time, you could have lingering unresolved issues which could manifest and destroy the new relationship. For instance, if you were cheated on, you may be driven to monitor and spy on your new partner even when such actions aren’t warranted. If you were physically, mentally or sexually abused by your ex, you may be ultra-defensive and dominant in your next relationship, or you may not assert yourself as much as you should. Neither of these things are normal or healthy, and this is why time and healing are so important for human beings to function as they should.

If you really want to be with a relative who has suffered with any of these issues, you should treat carefully and respect their boundaries. They’re going to need plenty of time and space. This may lead to your feeling pushed away and rejected, but it’s important that you respect this and allow them time to recover their sense of self and their confidence in themselves. You could even suggest therapy if your relative has been badly affected and it’s effecting their daily life. Don’t push the issue of a relationship with you, wait until they’re truly ready. It’s going to be hard for them to trust again, so you need to demonstrate that you are worthy of that trust. Remember, just because you’re family and a level of trust exists already between you, doesn’t mean that they’re going to be ready to trust you this far yet.

If the other person has already said that they’re not interested

Its a no-brainer really. If your relative has made it clear that they do not want to pursue a relationship with you, then continuing to flirt with them is violating their boundaries. My word of advice: Just don’t do it. Such things could be taken as sexual harassment by courts if the other person gets pissed off enough, which would mean at the very least a restraining order against you and a criminal record. Unrequited love is painful, I know, but there are healthier ways to deal with it. You could join a forum, or do things to take your mind off it. Also consider that being pursued constantly by somebody that you’re not interested in can be very unsettling and upsetting, and it could make you come across as a creep. If you really love your relative, you won’t do these things, you will respect their wishes and move on to greener pastures.

There are many reasons that a person may not be interested. The main one being that your relative might be a regular and thus the idea might disgust them, but some other possibilities also exist. A sister who is a lesbian will not be interested in dating her brother. A man who prefers younger women will likely not want to date his mother. Sometimes the reason is just that they see you as incompatible with them. Whatever the reason: no means no.

If their partner has recently died

Death is never a nice subject, and eventually it comes to us all. When it happens, comfort and time is what is needed for those left behind, and this especially applies to the partner of the deceased. Regardless of the cause of death, it can be very traumatic to lose somebody, and this puts people in a very emotionally vulnerable position. They’re unlikely to be open to a new relationship until they’ve gone through the grieving process and are ready to move on with their lives. This could take anything from six months to a couple of years, depending on how strong their relationship was when their partner was alive, and the manner in which they died.

Take all of this into consideration, and do not pursue somebody who is still grieving the loss of their partner.


I think most of what I’ve said in here should really be common sense for most people. It’s really about having empathy for others and knowing when is a bad time to approach somebody. It’s about right and wrong. I feel we must be absolutely clear on moral boundaries and respect for people. Respect is after all one of the fundamental building blocks for a healthy long-term relationship.

Welcome to the Library

You may notice something new on my website today, I’ve just added a menu item called The Library at the top of the site. Currently it has one submission from somebody I’ve been chatting to by e-mail for the last few weeks, but this Library is intended for the whole community, so don’t be shy if you wish to contribute.

Library Submissions may be either non-fiction, original fiction or fanfiction. The works may either be free or paid for, and I’ll specify which in the listings. So if you’re a talented writer who wants to earn from your stories, I don’t mind you charging for your work, and I won’t charge you for having your work listed. For obvious legal reasons, all fanfiction stories must be free of charge.

Now, another word on stories, whether original fiction or fanfiction. I will accept submissions which contain erotic or sexual content, however, I will not accept PWPs (porn without plot), or any material depicting underage characters in sexual situations. Such things go against the ethos of this site and the community as a whole, and we must set some reasonable standards whilst allowing free expression.

All that said, enjoy the Library 🙂

A young woman and her parents

Well folks, today I bring to you a story from a new KS member. She’s delighted to have found our community and was keen to share her story with us, thus helping others to realize that they aren’t alone in the world. She appears to be a very happy, outgoing and confident person in a delightful relationship with her parents. In the following interview, my questions are in bold font and her answers are in italics, just to make things clear for the readers.

Describe what kind of consanguinamorous relationship you’re in, or have been in? (for example, is it a closed or open relationship, which family member are you involved with, is it a heterosexual or homosexual relationship…etc?)

I am Kelly, a 24 year old female who has been actively involved with my mother and father from the time I was 19 years old. We are open in that the three of us are routinely sexual as a group, but I enjoy one on one time with both my mother and father. She and I are both bisexual.

Describe yourself, approximate age, what kind of person are you? What are your interests and hobbies?

I am 24 years old, brown hair, and petite. I consider myself to be very open to new experiences and I love the rare occasions when I can travel. I love to read and I am an unapologetic foodie!

How did it start, and what were your thoughts and feelings at the time?

It was a steady progression of mutual attraction between my parents and I for several years before we acted on it when I was 19. I am an only child and we were pretty casual about nudity when I was growing up. My attraction began at puberty and I soon saw my parents as sexual beings as well as my mom and dad. The first night we had sex as a family was when we were on vacation in The Dominican Republic. The drinking age is lower there and we all took advantage of the fact that we were staying in an all inclusive resort. We got back to our rooms and my parents started undressing in front of me and I began stripping as well. My parents started kissing and I kissed them, too. It was such a beautiful experience and we love playing together as a family to this day. I felt great about it then and I still do.

How long have you been together, and what are your plans for the future?

We have been together for the past 5 years. Four years ago I gave birth to a beautiful and healthy baby girl. My father is the father, but we have no plans to tell her at this time. I live at home with my parents while I finish school. We will see what the future holds!

Is your relationship legal where you are?


If you could legally marry, would you?

No. I am happy with our current arrangement and I love my parents too much to disrupt their marriage.

What would you like to say to others who disapprove of your relationship, or who want people like yourself to be thrown in jail?

Live and let live. We are all consenting adults and no one is being mistreated. This works for us and it works for many other people, too.

Describe the advantages and disadvantages of consanguinamorous relationships in your experience.

Honestly, the sex is incredible, but, beyond that, I have never known this depth of love, acceptance and comfort with anyone else. I hate having to hide this from the rest of the world. I hate that something that feels so natural is considered a crime.

How do you feel about your relationship now?


Before you had this relationship, what were your thoughts and feelings about others who engaged in this type of relationship?

I was certainly intrigued by the idea of incest and I have always been curious about people who live this lifestyle.

What are your thoughts and feelings about consanguinamory in general now?

I feel that, so long as it is a consensual relationship, there is nothing wrong with it. I wish more families could know how loving and natural this is.

What is it like, having to hide the truth from the world, and having to lie to people?

Exhausting. I am so thankful to Jane for creating this safe space for like minded people to share their stories.

What would you like say to anyone who discovers a friend or relative in a consanguinamorous relationship?

Congratulations! I know very few people who know what they want and I know even fewer who allow themselves to have it. It always takes courage to live the life you want!

Is there anything else you want to add?

Not at this time, but ask me anything!

Okay, so it’s obvious from what she’s saying that she is consanguinamorous by orientation. She knew from her teens that these attractions existed for her, and during her adult life she has naturally slotted into this relationship with her parents. This isn’t uncommon in a non-GSA situation, as we don’t experience Westermarck Effect.

You know what’s sad, that these three people would get thrown into jail in so many countries. That people would label this happy and confident young woman a ‘victim’ when it’s obvious to anyone with an open mind that she is nothing of the sort. There are far too many assumptions about incest in general, but especially parent/offspring relationships. I hope that her story inspires more people to come forward in sharing their own stories.

As a side note, not many people have been interviewed for my blog, however, Keith has a very large section on his website dedicated to interviews he has done. Anyone who wishes to browse through his stuff can do so HERE.

The Consanguinamory Orientation Study (AKA the Non-GSA Study)

Hey folks, Here is another one for you. This survey is strictly for non-GSA consangs (i.e. Those of us typically lacking Westermarck Effect altogether where there was no separation and reunion) and is intended to prove that Consanguinamory is an orientation.

Why is such proof important? Because people have the perception that consang people can easily find partners who are unrelated to them and that therefore the prohibition on incestuous relationships is justifiable. On the surface that may look true to the outsider, because it’s quite easy to find regulars who are willing to have a sexual relationship, a cursory look at a dating website is enough to prove that. However, we cannot have double-love with regulars, and thus these relationships are often unsatisfying and unsustainable for us in the long term, it’s a theme I hear time and time again with people. So by expecting us to enter the world of regular relationships, and never to be what we naturally are, we’re expected to forever forego true happiness and satisfaction in life. This is intolerable, and downright cruel.

In short, the purpose of this survey is to arm us with real data which is set to prove our case, that we’re an orientation, and that we often CAN’T be satisfied with regular relationships. This is something we’re born with and didn’t ask for, but we should not be subjected to prohibition and incestophobia. Rather, we should be treated like the normal people that we are, and accepted into the mainstream alongside homosexuality.

Oh, and just as a reminder, the consanguinamory reproduction study is still live and will be for another few months yet. If you’ve had a child via consanguinamory, please fill out that survey to help dispel the ridiculous mythology of all children born of incest being disabled.

No room for haters in our movement

It’s with a troubled mind that I write this, because the unthinkable has happeed. Somebody claiming to be an ally of our movement has expressed some transphobic bigotry on the forums, describing gender reassignment surgery as a ‘mutilation’, and transgender as a ‘mental illess’. Not only do I feel horrified and disgusted that anyone could think this way let alone post such obnoxious rubbish, but it comes only days after a mother of a vulnerable young transwoman signed up to the forums. I really feel for her, and hope that she takes comfort from the kind remarks of the other forum users who immediately shot him down and supported trans rights.

One of the arguments that the bigot made, was that our movement is going to be in some way harmed by our support of transgendered rights. I think I speak for us all when I call this bigot out on his hateful rubbish, and express to all that there is no room for such hate in our movement. Some transpeople are also consang, and we support all forms of love and ways of being between consenting adults. To do any less would be hypocritical, immoral, and discriminatory. How can anyone support one sexual minority of consenting adults, and deny another? The rights of people to decide who they wish to be intimate with, in what way, and what they choose to do with their own bodies are BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. If you do not have authority and autonomy over your own body, then you are not free, it’s as simple as that.

I’m not saying that everyone must be enthusiastic about every single thing that another person may choose to do with their bodies, or even necessarily agree with it, but we should ALWAYS support a persons HUMAN RIGHT to make those decisions for themselves as they see fit. Hating on others for their sexual differences has been going on in one form or another since time immemorial. In the modern age, we as a minority are often on the receiving end of such hate, so we of all people know how it feels to be cast aside by the masses as defective and deviant. How can we, knowing how that feels do that to another minority? We can’t. Hate is always wrong.

I’m not saying that we know everything about every sexual minority, we don’t. We don’t get all of the unique challenges that transpeople go through, how could we if we are not trans ourselves? What we can do is LISTEN WITH EMPATHY and try to understand as much as we can. What we do have in common is the hateful reactions of some other people. We cannot preach empathy and understanding to regulars if we do not practice it ourselves.

Do not let bigots like this idiot win, don’t dwell on their hateful statements even for a moment, and do not take it to heart. People like that are not worth your time or energy. I’m still trying to figure out if this guy believes the horrible bile he’s been posting, or if he is trolling, either way I am not going to tolerate more of it, and I would like all readers to know that Kindred Spirits is still the place to be for consang people of all persuasions. If you’re LGBT, Poly, Kink, or whatever, YOU’RE VERY WELCOME, and we admins (as well as many of our members) will do everything in our power to make your stay comfortable and enlightening.

We need allies of course, but what we do not need is ‘allies’ who support us and hate on others, those who do such things are no better than those who support gay rights and yet deny us our rights. We can only move forward by pushing for the EQUAL RIGHTS OF ALL CONSENTING ADULTS. Minority groups need to stand united in the face of hate, we may be different, but some of the challenges we face are the same, and for much the same reasons. We are one group amongst many, so I repeat my call for friendship and solidarity with those other minorities, that the establishment of such solidarity will be of great benefit to us all. In such solidarity, we will find greater understanding of each other and strength in numbers, and that will pave the way for future generations to enjoy the freedoms we were denied. We owe this to the next generation, not just to our own people, but to all people of sexual diversity.

Nothing off Limits, my second interview

Well folks, as promised, I did it again, I went back to do a second episode with Michelle to cover the results of the consanguinamory study. We discuss that and a few more things also.

I’ve built up a wonderful rapport with Michelle, and I can tell you that this appearance will not be my last on her show (unless I’m unlucky enough to get hit by a bus or something). She is a true ally and is genuinely fascinated by all that she has learned about us over the last few months. This is a quality that is uncommon in people, and it is wonderful for us to have found such an open minded and intellectually honest independant journalist willing to cover our stories. Just look at what she has to say about haters on her blog, and you’ll see what I mean.

She is a real gem, and my thanks go out to her once more for giving me this platform to speak for us. If you’re reading Michelle, may God bless you because we certainly do 🙂