Guys, I’ve got a story here for you, a real stinker of one. This time I’m not going to trash an article, but the comments made on it. The article itself is presenting factual information about a mother/daughter GSA couple who face a possible ten years each in prison for having a relationship and getting married. She had previously been married to her oldest son according to the article.
This shameless persecution by the state is lamentable enough, but on top of all that… Good Lord just look at those comments. They start irate and ‘eww that’s gross’ at first, of course my colleague, Keith over at Full Marriage Equality, responded to the comments and was immediately lambasted. with the comments in response to his clear logic becoming ever more shrill, and then they went off the deep end entirely. I joined in the discussion too of course, only to be dismissed as Keiths sock-puppet… no, I’m not kidding.
So let’s take a look at some of the weird and wonderful things these incestophobes have come out with. The first comment came from Keith, it reads:
This sounds like Genetic Sexual Attraction. They are consenting adults, correct? It doesn’t matter if other people think it is disgusting. There’s no a single good reason, equally applied under the law, as to why they should be denied their fundamental right to marry.
I have interviews scores of people in similar situations. Most are well-adjusted, productive members of society who aren’t hurting anyone.
I support the rights of all adults to marry each other.
To which one poster responded:
Keith Pullman Really? You can’t think of one single good reason? Google “autosoman recessive disorders”. It took me five seconds to come up with associated risks of incent: “Viable inbred are likely to be inflicted with physical deformities and genetically inherited diseases. Studies have confirmed an increase in several genetic disorders due to inbreeding such as blindness, hearing loss, neonatal diabetes, limb malformations, schizophrenia and several others.”
We’re not talking about some arbitrary moral argument like with gay marriage, we’re coming right down to simple Darwinism; even more than that: The very welfare of the human race. If you seriouly feel incest is a “fundamental right”, then you and people like you need to leave this earth so you don’t drag the rest of us down with your stupidity.
Now remember, it is a LESBIAN relationship, and here this moron goes invoking Darwin and the mutant babies argument.
Keith responded to his stupidity with this:
Jason Mitchell 1) How are these two women going to inbreed? We aren’t talking about inbreeding. We’re taking about marriage, 2) We let people with serious, obvious genetic diseases and women over 40 date, marry, have kids, etc. so you have to take away their rights too, under equal access. 3) There are no laws against consenting adults being together in Rhode Island, New Jersey, and many modern countries and those places haven’t collapsed. 4) Most children born to close relatives are healthy. I know some. You know some, whether you know it or not. 5) People with birth defects or disabilities are people, too. Or did you want them all sequestered in camps? 6) You’re writing as though everyone is itching to inbreed and the only thing holding them back is the law. Is there someone you want to get off your chest?
I responded to him as well with this:
[name removed] and since this is a lesbian relationship with no chance of reproduction taking place your argument against this couple collapses in on itself. But even if it was a heterosexual relationship, just because two people CAN produce a child doesn’t necessarily mean that they will, that’s what contraception is for. Furthermore, ask yourself if you would prevent two unrelated persons who both carry the same bad gene for some inheritable disease from procreation… I’d wager you would have no moral problem with that. Your views are a thinly disguised form of ‘eewww that’s gross, let’s make it against the law’. Banning other peoples relationships because you don’t like them is immoral.
Please visit my website to educate yourself:https://consanguinamory.wordpress.com
a third person also responded to the idiot:
[name removed] that would make a lot of sense if they could actually have a biological kid. Are you a product of incest? I think so.
the next comment from the idiot was long, but I’ll repost it here for giggles:
Keith Pullman First off, it doesn’t matter if they can breed or not. A law that applies to one, applies to all. So, yeah, moot point there.
Secondly, I believe in Darwinism not eugenics. Learn the difference and you’ll have the answer.
Third, much like just because something is illegal doesn’t make it wrong, something that’s legal doesn’t make it right.
For your #6: Just think of the number of things we don’t think twice about that once was considered tabboo. I go to my white-collared job without a suit, tie and hat. That was unheard of not too long ago. Times change things and we are having enough difficulties in this world without idiots like you saying it’s okay for someone to bang their sister.
Lastly, if you don’t believe inbreeding leads to crap geans, you must also believe the earth is flat. Again, it’s not a morals thing. It’s…I’m sorry, it’s just stupid to think anyone actually believes it’s perfectly healthy to have parents with the same genes. If you’re not a troll, you’re just a total moron that needs to kill themselves. Sorry to be blunt, there’s no other way to say it.
Dear me there is so much crap in that post it should win a Darwin Award by itself. Apart from misspelling two easy words ‘taboo’ and ‘genes’ he also compares belief that inbreeding won’t always result in disaster with believing at the Earth is flat. Say what?
He then does a second post:
Keith Pullman Oh, BTW, I know Jane Dow and [name removed] are also you. I’m not an idiot.
Not an idiot? I’d most strongly beg to differ. How anyone couldn’t tell that me and Keith were different people is beyond me. *scans above posts* nope, can’t see any idiocy there [/sarcasm] *eyeroll*
[name removed] I have not written anything under either of those names. You’re wishing death on people, upset that consenting adults love each other and that someone speaks uomformtheir rights. I’ll let others read for themselves and see who is more reasonable.
One person’s disgust is no reason to deny other people their rights. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly consenting adults have a fundamental right to marry and to private sex.
Good points of course, as one would expect. Now it’s rant time from him:
Keith Pullman Oh, I know it’s a harsh thing to say, brutal in fact. It’s something I never tell anyone and, frankly, it came from anger but I’m not going to take it back. I’m not “wishing death” on anyone as much as I’m stating this world would be a far better place if people who don’t consider genetic degeneration a big deal commit suicide.
You know, it goes to the whole “too stupid to live” category of Darwinism.
As for allowing people to think for themselves, sure. Why not! I have science and basic logic on my side. You, feelings… That’s it. Feelings. Feelings don’t mean jack, especially in a subject as serious as this. Your logic is a woman should be able to have sex with a dog if he humps her leg…that’s the dog’s way of giving consent.
My whole attitude doesn’t come from disgust or some sense of morality. I find homosexuality gross and I couldn’t care less if two gay dudes want to get married. It’s a free country. And I generally agree that government should stay out of the bedroom and less laws the better. I’m big on personal liberty. #GaryJohnson2016
The rest comes from the fact that stupidity makes me angry. The greater the stupidity, the angrier I become and I didn’t know it was possible but I think you managed to surpass flatearthers and truthers…possibly combined.
It’s basic bloody science. This isn’t even an issue for opinion. Yes, people are grossed out by this and, you know why? It’s a natural impulse/reaction ingrained in our DNA. Even before the time of gympanzees, in pretty much every animal group, for the sake of their species, one would seek out beyond their own blood line to produce prosperous offspring. Animals, crazy enough, instinctively know. So, one way to look at it, creatures fresh out of the primordial soup are smarter than you.
Like I said, personal liberty is a big deal for me but I make an exception in this case; if two people are dumb enough to want to enter a sexual relationship with someone in their own gene pool -especially immediately family-, it’s paramount that they are stopped.
FOR THE SAKE OF ALL HUMANITY, IT’S A LINE THAT MUST NEVER BE BROKEN.
If you still don’t understand that, well, refer back to my previous request in my previous reply.
And seriously, of course that’s you! I’m not new at this. You shared multiple links on your FB page with Jane Dow’s profile pic. They’re obviously shill account you created to give support for your asinine argument. The fact they were posted very shortly after your initial comment makes it just that much more obvious.
Basically he says he is big on personal liberty, but in reality he is a fascist because he ‘makes an exception’ in our case. His reasoning that all animals avoid incest is also FALSE. A minority of most animal species mate within the family, and this doesn’t seem to lead to any catastrophic collapse of their gene pool.
Again he insists that we are the same person because we use the same profile pic… *ROFLMAO* My God that’s a good one, it’s the Friends of Lily symbol that we all use to show our dedication to the cause, many consang people use it. This symbol is to us what the pride flag is to the LGBT community.
I added my voice to the comments again:
[name removed] LMAO you serious? Firstly I never even heard of [name removed] before today, secondly, Keith Pullman was an activist for equality for years before I added my voice to the cause. Read some of his blog… and then read some of mine… our writing styles aren’t anything alike. It would be obvious to anyone who took a look at them that we are NOT the same person.
It’s so easy for people like you to just condemn, but you don’t know anything about consanguinamorous people. People don’t exactly choose who they fall in love with, it’s something that just happens and these attractions often catch people by surprise. There is nothing at all wrong with two consenting adults falling in love and having a relationship. How does it suddenly become disgusting just because the people involved are closely related? It doesn’t,
Not everyone experiences Westermarck effect, with Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA) it never gets the chance to develop because of the separation, people who have GSA usually experience Westermarck effect for their adoptive families. With non-GSA consensual incest, the Westermarck effect just doesn’t develop, and this means that we can find close relatives attractive.
Again this only explains how these attractions occur, to help your understanding some. It’s absolutely okay that you find it gross, quite frankly I couldn’t give a shit…. but I do give a shit when people want to continue to deny us our full equal rights. Why should our people have to put up with discrimination and hate all because of who we love? We’re probably the most misunderstood minority group on the planet, and those of us who are activists are trying to help set the record straight and help people to understand.
At the end of the day all adults should be free to make their own decisions about who they want to have a relationship with, it’s a philosophy called live and let live, something people need to learn.
and he STILL insists we’re the same person:
Jane Dow lol Nice try, Keith. Couldn’t wait more than 15 mins to reply. But anyway, “Jane” allow me to make you aware your argument isn’t that different than NAMBLA’s.
Nice copy and paste job, BTW.
Now he compares us to NAMBLA, that disgusting pedophile advocacy organization
Somebody else wrote:
EW Keith you and so many others here are all sick in the head who think this is OK. It’s the new brain-dead generation.
Brain dead? We’re not the ones whose sole argument is reduced to name calling.
Another person said:
People will be marrying their pets in my lifetime. That’s how perverted this world has become.
Which has to do with the subject of incest…. how exactly?
A very sensible person wrote this:
[name removed] – HUGE difference between NAMBLA and what Keith and Jane are talking about. NAMBLA believes it is ok to be with children. Keith and Jane do not believe this – both have stated “consenting adults” and feel it is never okay to be with children.
[name removed] I wasn’t talking about belief structure or making a comparison between the two different types of “love”. I was referring to the logic of his argument.
I’ve had a nap since then anyway and I’ve come to the conclusion that anyone who condones incest is mentally ill and holding a debate with such person is like holding a discussion with a Furby.
Translation: I can’t find any legitimate argument against what these people say, I’m just going to insult them instead.
A few more exchanges take place, and by this point I’m getting quite pissed off, so I respond with this:
[name removed] I’m getting annoyed with you now. NOBODY from our community is arguing, or would argue for bestiality or pedophilia. In both instances there is a non-consenting party. Children cannot consent and animals cannot consent. Actually we’ve repeatedly spoken out AGAINST such abuses on our websites. Keith has already pointed out earlier in this thread that we do not condone child abuse. We’re advocating for CONSENTING ADULTS to be allowed to have their relationships and live their lives in peace without interference from the law or anyone else for that matter.
Conflating incest in general with pedophilia is like conflating a teacher who molests a student with sex in general, or conflating a pedophile priest who molests his alter boys with homosexuality in general…. see the disconnect here? A pedophile is a pedophile regardless of whether the victim is related or not, and either way it’s equally wrong.
Why is pedophilia wrong? Because IT HAS A VICTIM, the child is unable to give consent.
But between adult relatives? There is NO VICTIM becaue adults are able to consent, regardless of whether or not they are related. Why the hell do you want to persecute people for having loving relationships when they aren’t harming anyone? How does it negatively effect your life to allow people to live in peace?
You haven’t answered any of our points, all you’ve done is repeat the same old tired shit and then upped the ante by comparing us to pedophiles. You’re not interested in a logical debate because you will lose, so instead you’re relying on emotive arguments and hoping that nobody notices.
there were more exchanges after this, I’ll let you read the rest of that thread for yourself, it’s high octane entertainment.
Let’s take some of the most ridiculous comments left for your entertainment, delving into the mindset of incestophobic haters.
You admit your are sick. This explains the rest of the sickos here who think it’s ok for the dyke to marry her mom. LOL My goodness. I’m happy because I’m going to go to Heaven. The sick ones, well… God does forgive. But I’m sure the sick ones do not believe in God. But if you sickos do believe in God then you are a liar because you didn’t read the Bible.
This is a logical fallacy it presents two options as being the only options. In this case it implies that you’re either a Christian or an Atheist, and that if you’re consang then you’re not a Christian therefore you must be an atheist and will go to hell…. also the name calling… What would Jesus do? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t leave such an asinine comment.
Here’s another one:
Well it sounds like Keith Pullman is one sick and twisted human being. Who breeds these people? Are they products of a libertard and Buffalo Bob? God gave people a brain and some people common sense. Apparently you accepted the partially functioning brain and rejected any form of sense. You are a very tortured and disturbed person that is more than likely beyond any form of intelligent reasoning. If you have children hopefully child protective services sees these comments and puts you on their pervert watch list. Also just to let you know your choices here have very serious and permanent consequences so maybe just keep that in mind the next time you get all horny around your hesheit offspring or animals or whatever else has a functioning hole around your barn.
He clearly didn’t read a word of what Keith wrote, and at no point did he (or anyone else) condone bestiality.
he later says:
lol!!! Man I love how insanely retarded you people are. Sometimes I think God made you liberals just for our entertainment. Actually not a backward hick. Well educated and able to hold down and decent job. Just hard working American family. Sometimes the problem is old misguided farts like you that even though you have years you missed out on the wisdom part. They are called Democrats if I’m not mistaken. Maybe sometime when you people sit down and think for a second about how insanely ridiculous it is to defend crap like this you might have a chance at surviving your own stupidity.
Another poster also started throwing hate at Keith:
Keith Pullman sicko…..stop being a perverted retarded freako…you need to locked away from society or moved to live with the Islamic Muslims where you fit in with the demons from hell. I sure hope some one reports you to be investigated…hmmm maybe I will. yes.
What the hell does Islam have to do with this? Nothing. The chances that this idiot will report Keith are remote, and even if they did… he’s just an ALLY, and isn’t doing anything illegal. Nobody can stop him from running his website and from continuing his leadership role in this community. This moron clearly hadn’t got any legitimate counter argument, and so name calling with a side order of comparing us to Muslims was in order… saw WHAT? He does know that Islamic nations are amongst the most sexually conservative and repressed in the world… right? Probably not. I told him to grow up.
The next ridiculous comment brings with it a bit of good old fashioned racism:
White people problems
Right, because incest is so exclusive to the white race… really? I’m white myself, but I’m actually to amused by the sheer stupidity to even be offended.
Racism wasn’t enough? How about suggesting state sponsored homicide:
Both if them should be executed. Our society is going down hill faster and faster. This is repulsive. I am stunned by the lack of disgust/support for these reprobates in this thread.
Yes, because murdering anyone who does something you don’t like is a sure way of improving society. That’s called fascism.
That’s just a small sampling of outrageous comments. Of course to read them all, and the original article, click on the first link I provided.
Not a single one of the commenters made a valid point, they all kept repeating the discredited mutant babies argument. We’ve heard it all before, and no doubt we will hear it again. But the nature of these comments digs deep into the incestophobic mind, scrambling desperately to find a legitimate argument, and upon finding none it lashes out with name calling and insults.
They call us sick but their behavior shows them to be less rational than us, they claim to be tolerant of other lifestyles and yet they pile the hate on us. Their behaviour isn’t a triumphant gloat, it is a sign of desperation because they know very well that they already lost this debate. If you’ve experienced incestophobia in your own life, do not despair, there is light and the end of the tunnel and we ARE going to win. Love, justice and truth will always win simply because they must.